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Re: Words of Wisdom

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"I just try to teach my students how to hear the birds sing." - Shunryu Suzuki

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by clyde » Thu May 09, 2019 5:00 pm

From Upaddha Sutta: Half (of the Holy Life) comes this familiar verse:
“Admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life.”

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Another translation:
“When a monk has admirable people as friends, companions, & colleagues, he can be expected to develop & pursue the noble eightfold path.”

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN45_2.html

Upon re-reading and studying this sutta, I noted this:
“It is in dependence on me [the Buddha] as an admirable friend that beings subject to birth have gained release from birth, that beings subject to aging have gained release from aging, that beings subject to death have gained release from death, that beings subject to sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair have gained release from sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair.”
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

“The most straightforward advice on awakening enlightened mind is this: practice not causing harm to anyone—yourself or others—and every day, do what you can to be helpful.” Pema Chodron, “What to Do When the Going Gets Rough”

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by Crystal » Thu May 09, 2019 6:09 pm

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The Buddha said :

Form is like a glob of foam;
feeling, a bubble;
perception, a mirage;
fabrications, a banana tree;
consciousness, a magic trick —
this has been taught
by the Kinsman of the Sun.
However you observe them,
appropriately examine them,
they're empty, void
to whoever sees them
appropriately.

Beginning with the body
as taught by the One
with profound discernment:
when abandoned by three things
— life, warmth, & consciousness —
form is rejected, cast aside.
When bereft of these
it lies thrown away,
senseless,
a meal for others.
That's the way it goes:
it's a magic trick,
an idiot's babbling.
It's said to be
a murderer.
No substance here
is found.

Thus a monk, persistence aroused,
should view the aggregates
by day & by night,
mindful,
alert;
should discard all fetters;
should make himself
his own refuge;
should live as if
his head were on fire —
in hopes of the state
with no falling away.

SN 22.95

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue May 21, 2019 10:55 am

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by fuki » Tue May 28, 2019 3:27 am

Happy indeed we live, friendly amid the hateful.
Among men who hate we dwell free from hate.

Happy indeed we live, healthy among the sick.
Among men who are sick (from craving)
we dwell free from sickness.

Happy indeed we live, content amid the greedy.
Among men who are greedy
we dwell free from greed.

Happy indeed we live, we for whom there is no attachment
Feeders on rapture we shall be, like the Gods of Brilliant Light.

Victory begets hatred, for the defeated experiences suffering.
The tranquil one experiences happiness,
giving up both victory and defeat.

~Dhammapada
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Re: Words of Wisdom

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by Nothing » Tue May 28, 2019 8:39 pm

The Dharma is not a secure refuge. He who enjoys a secure refuge is not interested in the Dharma, but is interested in a secure refuge. - Vimalakirti Sutra

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by clyde » Tue May 28, 2019 8:54 pm

Nothing wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:39 pm
The Dharma is not a secure refuge. He who enjoys a secure refuge is not interested in the Dharma, but is interested in a secure refuge. - Vimalakirti Sutra
That seems odd. As Buddhists we take refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. The Buddha taught to take refuge in the Dharma. Why would we take refuge in an insecure refuge? Or how do you understand Vimalakirti’s statement?
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

“The most straightforward advice on awakening enlightened mind is this: practice not causing harm to anyone—yourself or others—and every day, do what you can to be helpful.” Pema Chodron, “What to Do When the Going Gets Rough”

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by Nothing » Wed May 29, 2019 8:24 am

clyde wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:54 pm
Nothing wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:39 pm
The Dharma is not a secure refuge. He who enjoys a secure refuge is not interested in the Dharma, but is interested in a secure refuge. - Vimalakirti Sutra
That seems odd. As Buddhists we take refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. The Buddha taught to take refuge in the Dharma. Why would we take refuge in an insecure refuge? Or how do you understand Vimalakirti’s statement?
You are right Clyde, at first look it does seem odd, but at the same time is not critique for taking refuge in the 3 jewels.
It is a nonattachemnt or nondwelling teaching from Vimalakirti. As you know we habitually fixate on forms , The Buddhadharma is a just another (mind) form , which while is excellent expedient , it can also be an obstacle at the same time if one clings to it and mistake it with the truth and forgets the non dwelling nature of our awareness which does not need any kind of refuge, much less a secure refuge.

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by clyde » Wed May 29, 2019 4:54 pm

Yes, even the Buddha compared the Dharma to a raft, abandoned upon reaching the other shore.

On the other hand, what is a “secure refuge” if not an illusion when the Buddha described the whole world as on fire?
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

“The most straightforward advice on awakening enlightened mind is this: practice not causing harm to anyone—yourself or others—and every day, do what you can to be helpful.” Pema Chodron, “What to Do When the Going Gets Rough”

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed May 29, 2019 6:17 pm

clyde wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:54 pm
Yes, even the Buddha compared the Dharma to a raft, abandoned upon reaching the other shore.
Nice! like it

may be we should open a new topic under Dhammapada.
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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by Nothing » Wed May 29, 2019 8:06 pm

clyde wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:54 pm
On the other hand, what is a “secure refuge” if not an illusion when the Buddha described the whole world as on fire?
Yes. There is an irony in "secure refuge", although an ilussion, one might find some comfort or security in the dharma, religion as we can see from the followers of the different religions worldwide, though that is not geniune interest and application of the dharma or the religion in place.

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by fuki » Wed May 29, 2019 8:15 pm

Nothing wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:06 pm

Yes. There is an irony in "secure refuge", although an ilussion, one might find some comfort or security in the dharma, religion as we can see from the followers of the different religions worldwide, though that is not geniune interest and application of the dharma or the religion in place.
The avadhut gita touches upon this (the illusion of safety) when (transliterated) is says;
This is dying beyond death, the death that grants eternity. What Grace to fall, to fail completely! What enormous silence! ;)

https://freetransliterations.wordpress. ... dhut-gita/

Ofcourse in navigating the objective world there is a "safety" or rather "sustenance" which is our practise of the dharma, which relates to wisdom in a world of poison. So there's really no contradiction, we "should" know the difference, the illusion is from a imagined seperaeted "self" looking to be safe, but to practise the dharma as a "haven" (or as mentioned earlier as the dhammapada puts it "Feeders on rapture we shall be") has nothing to do with a contracted self-image, at least if it's true practise. So I bow to all my fellow practisioners and wish them well and safety.
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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by Nothing » Wed May 29, 2019 9:18 pm

fuki wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:15 pm
Nothing wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:06 pm

Yes. There is an irony in "secure refuge", although an ilussion, one might find some comfort or security in the dharma, religion as we can see from the followers of the different religions worldwide, though that is not geniune interest and application of the dharma or the religion in place.
The avadhut gita touches upon this (the illusion of safety) when (transliterated) is says;
This is dying beyond death, the death that grants eternity. What Grace to fall, to fail completely! What enormous silence! ;)

https://freetransliterations.wordpress. ... dhut-gita/

Ofcourse in navigating the objective world there is a "safety" or rather "sustenance" which is our practise of the dharma, which relates to wisdom in a world of poison. So there's really no contradiction, we "should" know the difference, the illusion is from a imagined seperaeted "self" looking to be safe, but to practise the dharma as a "haven" (or as mentioned earlier as the dhammapada puts it "Feeders on rapture we shall be") has nothing to do with a contracted self-image, at least if it's true practise. So I bow to all my fellow practisioners and wish them well and safety.
agree with that, but i was not talking about that kind of safety or sustenance which is of course needed and practical in the course of the true practice.
I was referring for example to the most chrisitan practitioners who go to sunday mass and confess for their sins to be forgiven so they do not go to hell, or the buddhists who donate to the monks so they gain merit and good karma have favorable rebirth in the next life which are examples of contracted self image looking to be safe or secure and has nothing to do with true practice as you memtioned above, although i do not have anything against that way of religion practice if one finds it helpful and makes his/her life more bearable.

p.s. Fuki , you forgot one thing, " wish them well and safety" and " do not neglect physical practice" as one gentelman use to say. :D

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by fuki » Wed May 29, 2019 9:32 pm

Nothing wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:18 pm
although i do not have anything against that way of religion practice if one finds it helpful and makes his/her life more bearable.
I consider it to be a pest upon mankind (organized-projected-unto-others-religion) but let's not go there. :)
p.s. Fuki , you forgot one thing, " wish them well and safety" and " do not neglect physical practice" as one gentelman use to say. :D
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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by Nothing » Thu May 30, 2019 9:51 am

fuki wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:32 pm
Nothing wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:18 pm
although i do not have anything against that way of religion practice if one finds it helpful and makes his/her life more bearable.
I consider it to be a pest upon mankind (organized-projected-unto-others-religion) but let's not go there. :)
No need to go there, I get it and agree ;)

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by fuki » Fri May 31, 2019 5:35 pm

Even in this world, and even now, there are said to be many hidden yogis or discreet yogis, called bepay naljor in Tibetan. It means those realized ones who are not generally recognized as great spiritual sages or saints, but have deeply tasted the fruit of enlightenment, and are living it. Perhaps they are anonymously doing their good works here among us right now!

The infinite vast expanse is one’s own inconceivable nature. Who can say who has realized it and who hasn’t? When we travel around the world or experience other dimensions, there are so many beings who have tasted it. We can see it in their behavior, in their countenance, and in stories that are told—not just in the Dzogchen tradition or the Buddhist tradition, but in any tradition, and in our Western world too.

This true nature is so vast and inconceivable that even some birds and animals and beings in other unseen dimensions can be said to have realized it, as in some of the ancient Indian Jataka stories and other teaching tales. It is always said that everything is the self-radiant display of the primordial Buddha Samantabhadra. There are infinite numbers of Buddhas and infinite numbers of beings. Who can say who is excluded from it?

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Re: Words of Wisdom

Post by fuki » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:58 pm

From the root Dzogchen Semde text, the Kunje Gyalpo, Chapters 28,51, 53:

“Self-arising wisdom, the essence of Dharmakaya, is not realized through effort, but conversely, by just remaining in the natural condition. It transcends all the aims of the practices, for that which is called “aim” is only a name: in reality “enlightenment” itself is only a name. Using the definition of “enlightenment” is a characteristic of the provisional teachings and not of the definitive ones.”

“As the true nature transcends cause and effect, those desirous of the fruit should not engage in its cause; It is realized by just remaining in the natural condition free of concepts.”

“Enlightenment is mind free of concepts and it is not achieved by following a gradual path.”

“The very word “realize” is not part of my language but of the language of those who base themselves on cause and effect”.

“Meditation that seeks to transform that which cannot change presupposes hope in some future time: as it is based on desire and depends on time, it becomes a desperate meditation and is utterly not what I mean by the “definitive teaching”
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