Dear Ones,Caodemarte wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 4:28 pmCause and effect is not something we separate from. It is what we are.Larry wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:33 amSuggesting iconic Zen masters are victims is an interesting perspective. Reminds me of that old thread on ZFI asking if Hakuin needed psychotherapy. Maybe, in Ken Wilber's terms, the old masters weren't too good at growing up and cleaning up. Or, are we all ultimately victims?
I've been tempted to comment on this thread from the beginning. it seems to me that at the end of the day it's not worth it. so, i'll stay with the basics, Hakuin was a key figure at my sangha, he turns things upside down... it's about us,not him and his supposed diagnosis. All I can say about Ken Wilbur is that his book "No Boundary" was the first book I read, even before Buddhism.... don't underestimate it. ofc, no zen master is perfect, it's time to get over that idea.... past time. Time to recognize that being a zen master is a calling that can not be ignored.... and also time to recognize that being a zen master is a sacrifice for the rest of us. Ten thousand bows to our zen masters. Cause and effect is not a death sentence... if we are wise, we will learn to play the hand dealt with love.
As far as dreams go, consider that waking or sleeping, no diff.