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Journey to the West

Post by Great Sage EofH » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:16 am

Sun Wu Kong AKA Monkey King, demanded that he be called "Great Sage Equal of Heaven"

What do we know of Monkey King or the novel Journey to the West? It's over 1,000 years old. It's the first martial arts story from ancient China. But!

Wikipedia says:

The novel is an extended account of the legendary pilgrimage of the Tang dynasty Buddhist monk Xuanzang who traveled to the "Western Regions", that is, Central Asia and India, to obtain Buddhist sacred texts (sūtras) and returned after many trials and much suffering. It retains the broad outline of Xuanzang's own account, Great Tang Records on the Western Regions (Li,Rongxi translator 1995. The Great Tang Dynasty Record of the Western Regions. Numata Center for Buddhist Translation and Research. Berkeley, California. ISBN 1-886439-02-8), but the Ming dynasty novel adds elements from folk tales and the author's invention, that is, that Gautama Buddha gave this task to the monk (referred to as Tang Sanzang in the novel) and provided him with three protectors who agree to help him as an atonement for their sins. These disciples are Sun Wukong, Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing, together with a dragon prince who acts as Tang Sanzang's steed, a white horse.

Journey to the West has strong roots in Chinese folk religion, Chinese mythology, Confucianist, Taoist and Buddhist philosophy, and the pantheon of Taoist immortals and Buddhist bodhisattvas are still reflective of some Chinese religious attitudes today. Enduringly popular, the tale is at once a comic adventure story, a humorous satire of Chinese bureaucracy, a spring of spiritual insight, and an extended allegory in which the group of pilgrims journeys towards enlightenment by the power and virtue of cooperation.

Arthur Waley's popular abridged translation, Monkey, is well known in English-speaking countries.

Another English translation is out, by Anthony Wu. It is the unabridged version.

"Anthony C. Yu’s translation of The Journey to the West,initially published in 1983, introduced English-speaking audiences to the classic Chinese novel in its entirety for the first time. Written in the sixteenth century, The Journey to the West tells the story of the fourteen-year pilgrimage of the monk Xuanzang, one of China’s most famous religious heroes, and his three supernatural disciples, in search of Buddhist scriptures. Throughout his journey, Xuanzang fights demons who wish to eat him, communes with spirits, and traverses a land riddled with a multitude of obstacles, both real and fantastical. An adventure rich with danger and excitement, this seminal work of the Chinese literary canon is by turns allegory, satire, and fantasy."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp_Mt9Zfsqg
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Re: Journey to the West

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Why has it personally interested & influenced you so much?

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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Nothing » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am

I have only heard of Journey to the West, never read anything, but it looks like an interesting read.

Which translation do you recommend Eric?

There is a good movie about Xuanzang, i liked it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5684550/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Great Sage EofH » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:10 am

Larry wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:28 pm
Why has it personally interested & influenced you so much?
The Arthur Waley book, Monkey, was a connection to Eastern Studies I began in 1970. Also we were very devoted to Tassajara bread book. My sister was in India during these years. I thought I was destined to become a Ganja-smoking yogi in India, or a potter working in Japan or China. I had romantic notions about myself, then i got into real romances with women and narrowly escaped spending my life behind a desk or drawing-board. Monkey represents irrepressible action; all i can become in this life is an example of zazen, not a scholar. An Unknown Craftsman of the Dharma. Anyway, the real story behind it is the Chinese monk who actually did leave China without authorization, and bring the scriptures back to China. Similarly, Kumarajiva the Translater had quite a history too, they actually fought wars to get him inside their kingdoms. The power of Buddhism was so strong in those days that it could create a harmony people lived in; in and of itself formed empires. As a student of Eastern Civilization, the flow of civilizing India, China, Japan actually was the diaspora of Buddhism. Monkey to me is about the interconnectedness of all things. The myths originated in the Mahabharata - that was Hanuman. Then there is Mahakapi Jataka - yet another monkey king. Then, this story, Journey to the West, the Origin Myth of Martial Arts narratives!
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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Great Sage EofH » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:13 am

Nothing wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am
I have only heard of Journey to the West, never read anything, but it looks like an interesting read.

Which translation do you recommend Eric?

There is a good movie about Xuanzang, i liked it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5684550/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Oh, thanks!

Read Arthur Waley, "Monkey". Used copies should be cheap. If you like that so much you want the 1800 page Anthony Wu version go for it. I haven't yet. They make at least one version of Journey to the West Every Year, check YouTube
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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Great Sage EofH » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:43 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRO7mzVFHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddez-8iR6I0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTmV3K57_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCj-XP5cjOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbxPWChoYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyMb9KEv-5Y

This final clip features, as does the book, The Bodhisattva Quan Yin, who is also the "patron saint" of the lineage that I'm associated with, maybe that's the connection (?)
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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Great Sage EofH » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:47 am

Great Sage EofH wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:13 am
Nothing wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am
I have only heard of Journey to the West, never read anything, but it looks like an interesting read.

Which translation do you recommend Eric?

There is a good movie about Xuanzang, i liked it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5684550/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Oh, thanks!

Read Arthur Waley, "Monkey". Used copies should be cheap. If you like that so much you want the 1800 page Anthony Wu version go for it. I haven't yet. They make at least one version of Journey to the West Every Year, check YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqG4_faQMWE
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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Great Sage EofH » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:09 am

Nothing wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am
I have only heard of Journey to the West, never read anything, but it looks like an interesting read.

Which translation do you recommend Eric?

There is a good movie about Xuanzang, i liked it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5684550/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
you know Mandarin?
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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Nothing » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 pm

Great Sage EofH wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:13 am
Nothing wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am
I have only heard of Journey to the West, never read anything, but it looks like an interesting read.

Which translation do you recommend Eric?

There is a good movie about Xuanzang, i liked it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5684550/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Oh, thanks!

Read Arthur Waley, "Monkey". Used copies should be cheap. If you like that so much you want the 1800 page Anthony Wu version go for it. I haven't yet. They make at least one version of Journey to the West Every Year, check YouTube
Will check it out! Thanks for the recommendation Eric, and for all those youtube links. Had no idea that there is/are so many movie(s) based on it.

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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Nothing » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:21 pm

Great Sage EofH wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:09 am
Nothing wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am
I have only heard of Journey to the West, never read anything, but it looks like an interesting read.

Which translation do you recommend Eric?

There is a good movie about Xuanzang, i liked it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5684550/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
you know Mandarin?
Not at all :)
Watched it with English subs.

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Re: Journey to the West

Post by Larry » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:05 pm

Great Sage EofH wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:10 am
Monkey represents irrepressible action; all i can become in this life is an example of zazen, not a scholar. An Unknown Craftsman of the Dharma.
:namaste:

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Re: Journey to the West

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:47 am

Great Sage EofH wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:09 am


you know Mandarin?
https://forvo.com/word/mandarijn/

Tasty stuff
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