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the Rashomon Effect

Post by clyde » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:19 am

One thing led to another . . . I found this article about the Rashomon Effect and Kurasawa’s movie by the same name (which I have not seen) insightful of truth and our stories.

https://www.acmi.net.au/ideas/read/kuro ... ng-legacy/
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Re: the Rashomon Effect

Post by clyde » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:15 pm

Perhaps I should have added a teaser:
“The primary issue with which Kurosawa seems to grapple is objectivity. For him, one of the conditions to be human is to experience phenomena subjectively. It contradicts our very nature to see things coldly and impartially. The flashbacks of the incident are the character’s subjective experience. Consequently, without objectivity, there can be no truth. Without one, there cannot be the other.”
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Re: the Rashomon Effect

Post by Spike » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:27 pm



It's free, so just ff thru the porkiness.

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Re: the Rashomon Effect

Post by clyde » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:16 am

Spike; Thank you.

I started to watch the movie (skipping the 3 minutes of ‘intro’), but after the title shot, it displays that the movie is based on a short story titled, “In a Grove”. I had no idea! So, I stopped the movie and went in search of, found and read the short story.

It can be found here: https://mrdylitcirclestories.files.word ... -grove.pdf

I’ll watch the movie later.
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Re: the Rashomon Effect

Post by clyde » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:16 am

OK. I watched the movie. It was and wasn’t what I expected, but I was glad I read the story first. Because of the commercial interruptions, I’m not certain that pieces of the film were missing and in any case, the interruptions interfered with the flow. I’ve ordered the DVD from the library and will view it again once it arrives.

In the meantime, I mentioned that the Rashomon effect arose because of “one thing led to another . . .”. Here’s the “another” thing:
Reductionists think that they are playing a game of telephone: as the message of reality travels upward, from the microscopic to the macroscopic scale, it becomes garbled, and they must work their way downward to recover the truth. Physicists now know that gravity wrecks this naïve scheme, by shaping the universe on both large and small scales. And the Rashomon effect also suggests that reality isn’t structured in such a reductive, bottom-up way.

If anything, Feynman’s example understated the mystery of the Rashomon effect, which is actually twofold. It’s strange that, as Feynman says, there are multiple valid ways of describing so many physical phenomena. But an even stranger fact is that, when there are competing descriptions, one often turns out to be more true than the others, because it extends to a deeper or more general description of reality.”

https://www.newyorker.com/science/eleme ... everything
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Re: the Rashomon Effect

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:36 pm

Spike wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:27 pm
It's free, so just ff thru the porkiness.
Thanks, downloaded the bluray criterion version, which has all these great extras :105:

https://www.criterion.com/films/307-rashomon
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Re: the Rashomon Effect

Post by Spike » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:14 pm

fuki wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:36 pm
Thanks, downloaded the bluray criterion version, which has all these great extras :105:
https://www.criterion.com/films/307-rashomon
Great recommendation. Sure enough, lots of good stuff, and other leads. Not an unreliable narrator!

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