What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

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Re: What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

Post by michaeljc » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:25 am

About teachers but not from them. Teachers are still banned here right?

Sorry, but from the deep south this looks really weird

I'm with Joe. I have a deep aversion to public kangaroo trials

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Re: What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

Post by Seeker242 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:56 am

What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior
Dump em and find a new teacher. :D

As for discussions, let people discuss what they want to discuss.

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Re: What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

Post by Dan74 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:34 pm

lindama wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:57 pm
Apologies to Jundo and others for any misunderstanding.

My comments could be misunderstood:
Controversial teachers have already been banned from this forum. Dosho Port just published an article in Patheos on Kensho/Makyo today. I'd say the title is only a hint of what he has to say relative to just sitting, awakening, makyo and koans. I couldn't help but think it explained where Jundo was coming from.
this is what I wrote to Clyde:
you can certainly delete it if Jundo wishes. I am not hinting at any misconduct. Pls apologize to Jundo....

my point was IMO Jundo was banned for his views and arguments on Soto, as far as I understand. Guo Gu requested he be reinstated. It did not happen. Reading Dosho's article says a lot to me about how to practice with this.
I'll add, in my view, none of these situations are isolated.
Jundo was not banned for his views but his manner of engaging and putting them across. He had expressed his views many many times before his banning, so it was certainly not the content itself. I am happy to answer further questions in a PM, this is just to briefly correct a misapprehension. There was never an orthodoxy here we upheld.

Sorry for the off topic..

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Re: What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

Post by Dan74 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:53 am

Since Jundo is not here to reply, we should probably delete both Linda's and my comment. It's of course a matter of perception and opinions do differ on whether it was the right decision, etc. All I did was present my view of the situation as a corrective to what Linda posted. But others will differ.

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Re: What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

Post by lindama » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:26 pm

Dan, I'm for deleting the whole thread, and the other one.

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Re: What to do about Zen teachers and controversial behavior

Post by clyde » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:50 pm

We will not revisit the now moot matter of Jundo’s banning. Dan’s announcement and Jundo’s response are available here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=463

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